OK, I’m going to risk pissing off the entire gay movement here by saying that this whole business of marriage and monogamy is contrary to our nature. While being gay is genetic, having a single mate for the rest of your life, or even for a certain period of time, is a choice. That’s not to say it’s a bad thing to be monogamous. Monogamy can be a great way to bond with someone or a container wherein you can increase intimacy. I support monogamy when it’s a conscious choice, but I resist it when it’s the expected default setting.And here's what I posted, slightly modified for clarity and emphasis:
What do you say, Truckbuddies? Agree or disagree?Many years ago when I was first coming out at age 25, an older (38!) guy I dated and became good friends with gave me two very good pieces of advice: If you're married, be married; and, If you want to stay a couple, stay out of bars.
Comparing humans to animals only works to a certain degree of comparison; after that it's flawed logic. Animals, for example, often eat one another; breed with their parents and sibs; abandon their young; and shit anywhere they feel like. So we can't say we should just do what the animals do, although God knows lots of men act like dogs.
My observation after being out for nearly 30 years is that some men are just constitutionally unable to be either monogamous; or honest; or truly intimate (emotionally and psychologically, not merely sexually) with a partner. Or all three. Whether that's a male thing or a specifically gay male thing, I can't say, but there's no point expecting that type of guy to ever be faithful and trustworthy with one partner. Ain't gonna happen, ever. He's a party boy and always will be, end of story.
There's another type that is just intrinsically dishonest with himself, and usually a perpetual adolescent. Wishywashy. Wants to have his cake and eat it too. Today he says oh yes he really, really wants to be married and monogamous, for good and ever, he's so tired of the bars and the tricks and all that. And it may be that he really believes what he's saying; and he will look you straight in the eye while doing so, with all apparent sincerity and expressions of true undying love. But he's so out of touch with his real self, his mind and his feelings are so clouded by denial and self-doubt and self-pity - and usually a long habit of hiding the truth - that he doesn't even realize he's lying. And tomorrow, or the day after, he will be sniffing after some strange stuff, and making up some weird justification/excuse for it when you catch him at it. Again, no point ever expecting this guy will be husband material, he's a revolving door.Then there is most definitely a type of man who is faithful, honest, monogamous, and loving. For life. Who means what he says and says what he means. Who knows himself, believes in himself, and believes in his partner too. Who enjoys sex as much as anyone, but is much more interested in building a strong solid house than a sand castle, and has the mental and emotional tools to succeed at that. And if somewhere, sometime he trips up - and even the best of us are still only human - he'll own up to it and make amends; though he won't make a habit of it. He's a grown-up man, not a boy. This is the guy you should snag if you want a husband for life, though you have to be very, very careful and take your time; the other two types very frequently masquerade as this type of guy. But time reveals everything, which is why a long engagement is always a really good idea.
Love is not enough; marriage is for grown-up men of honesty and integrity. Now if two guys like that get together, they will stay together; and if they decide to play together, then that's up to them. But seems to me much of the time what happens is, one grown-up guy falls for one of the other types; and then there's only heartache in the long run for that couple.
Back to what my friend said at the start of this post: if you DON'T want to be married, for God's sake don't pretend you do. Stay single, keep playing and having fun as long as you can, because you sure ain't getting any younger. Just because gay marriage is legal in some places now (and more to come we hope) does NOT mean every man needs to be married or should be. You want to be a perpetual teenager and get your rocks off with all the other boyz of whatever age, fine and dandy. Have at it, it's a free country and you damn well better enjoy life while you're living.
But some of us want more, and we'll see the job through with the right man for all our days, through all the ups and downs of life, regardless of what the fashionable attitudes might be. That's my 2 cents, for what it's worth to anyone.
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there are some guys who don't want monogomy. period! others want it more than anything thing else. i guess thats the bottom line. i'm one who wants it...
I think you just summarized everything I was trying to say in two sentences there, Larry. lol Well said.
We've been together for 11 years. Monogamy was never something either of us were interested in, but at the end of the day when we lay down, it's together, in our own bed.
It seems like a lot of gay men can't wrap their heads around it. I can't tell you the number of times I've been told I don't have a "real" relationship. It used to piss me off but I'm finally past trying to make others understand. It's our relationship, and it's never been predicated on others understanding it.
The key with any relationship is clear, frank communication about each others' expectations -- early early on -- as well as being honest with yourself about what you want.
Russ which one are you, Sir?
I do believe in what you said. I also know being in a monogamous realtionship with my ex for ten or o' so years. We were truly faithful to each other, but both of us look at other Men and made our commments.
Once on vacation. I went down tothe White Elephant Coffee shop in San Francisco, which is now Star Bucks. When I came abck I told him everything I saw. he said I was a kid telling a story, for I was alive and the Enthusiasm in my voice mae him laugh, while I ws telling him the story.
Just because your are on a diet, does not mean you can not look atthe menu. You jst order offof it.
When I find the right Man again I will settle down with him and grow old.
Ray
Ha ha. "just because you are on a diet doesn't mean you can't look at the menu." Good one Ray.
Yeah I know what you are saying. The problems come when people promise what they can't give. The ancient Greeks thought the key to wisdom was "Know thyself." Trouble is, too many people have no clue who they really are and are afraid to find out!
Oh and you can put me down as type #3.
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