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Monday, August 9, 2010
Thoughts on Marriage
I. Ted Olson eloquently sums up the whole case for marriage equality in this short interview. Andrew Sullivan says, "I've been making these points for many many years. I cannot express how affirming it is to hear such a distinguished conservative jurist defend the civil rights of gay citizens - especially such a fundamental, core right as civil marriage."
Sullivan also writes a longer post today on this topic. Excerpt:
The church - even in its current High Ratzinger phase - opts for inclusion over exclusion. It allows the infertile to marry. It does not remove the Sacrament of Matrimony from those who do not produce kids. It even annuls countless marriages, many of which have been consummated, in enormously large numbers. It marries those past child-bearing age. It treasures adopted kids, even though they violate Ross's parent-procreating "microcosm of civilization" ideal. And that's only the Catholic church. The Protestant churches freely allow divorce and contraception - breaking both the monogamy and the procreative elements of Ross's ideal (which is to say all of it). So in the religious sphere, the Church breaks its own ideal with regularity, and the other churches have long since given almost all of it up. And yet the Catholic church still insists that its ideal be enforced as an act of civil exclusion in the secular sphere, even on people who are atheists.
On what conceivable grounds, if you pardon the expression? Look at how diverse current civil marriages are in the US. The range and diversity runs from Amish families with dozens of kids to yuppie bi-coastal childless couples on career paths; there are open marriages and arranged marriages; there is Rick Santorum and Britney Spears - between all of whom the civil law makes no distinction. The experience of gay couples therefore falls easily within the actual living definition of civil marriage as it is today, and as it has been now for decades. To exclude gays and gays alone is therefore not the upholding of an ideal (Britney Spears and Larry King are fine - but a lesbian couple who have lived together for decades are verboten) so much as making a lone exception to inclusion on the grounds of sexual orientation. It is in effect to assert not the ideal of Catholic Matrimony, but the ideal of heterosexual superiority. It creates one class of people, regardless of their actions, and renders them superior to another.
II. David Boies wipes the floor with Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, co-founded by the infamous George Rekers of rentboy fame:
Marriage to me requires love, but is not itself about love. I see it as insurance, a contract guaranteeing that should our love and partnership survive, our security is maintained and our wishes are respected. That what we build together remains ours, and that when and if I am unable to act for myself, decisions are made for me by my designee.
I have opinions on the wedding itself but they're far too long to go into here. Suffice it to say I think smaller is better. And I agree with you Russ that writing ones own vows is never a good idea.
Precisely, David: marriage is a contract that protects you both, that other people respect because the law makes them leave your stuff the fuck alone. As I've blogged about several times before.
Which also elevates your spouse into something more than just your latest mancrush or fuckbuddy: when you both man up enough to sign on the dotted line and take on a serious responsibility, just as you would for a car or a house.
Not everybody can, not everybody should; but a lot of us would. If the feeling was mutual, I mean.
I see marriage as a legal contract with your partner. And in case one of you gets sick or dies the other partner is protected under the law. As far as the marriage ceremony I can't stand them...gay or straight. A waste of money! BLAH! Horsefeathers!
Duly noted, Stan. When your turn comes, we'll just mail you a coupon and a stamped return envelope. Grin.
But as far as marriage being a legal contract - that is exactly and precisely what civil marriage is, a contract. As any lawbook will tell you. Which I've blogged about several times before, and which religious foamers just don't seem to get.
Lord, make me an instrument of your peace. Where there is hatred, let me sow love; where there is injury, pardon; where there is discord, harmony; where there is doubt, faith; where there is despair, hope; where there is darkness, light; where there is sadness, joy. Grant that I may seek not so much to be consoled as to console; to be understood as to understand; to be loved as to love. For it is in giving that we receive; it is in pardoning that we are pardoned; and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life. Amen.
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Churches say that the expression of love in a heterosexual monogamous relationship includes the physical, the touching, embracing, kissing, the genital act - the totality of our love makes each of us grow to become increasingly godlike and compassionate. If this is so for the heterosexual, what earthly reason have we to say that it is not the case with the homosexual?
It is a perversion if you say to me that a person chooses to be homosexual. You must be crazy to choose a way of life that exposes you to a kind of hatred. It's like saying you choose to be black in a race-infected society.
If God, as they say, is homophobic, I wouldn't worship that God.
8 comments:
Taht was excellent, Russ. Thanks for sharing. Great job. I also checked out the clips and links.
Glad you liked, Mark.
As one who never felt the need for the term marriage, I find your and their arguments compelling.
"Let me not to the marriage of true minds admit impediments . . . ."
Marriage to me requires love, but is not itself about love. I see it as insurance, a contract guaranteeing that should our love and partnership survive, our security is maintained and our wishes are respected. That what we build together remains ours, and that when and if I am unable to act for myself, decisions are made for me by my designee.
I have opinions on the wedding itself but they're far too long to go into here. Suffice it to say I think smaller is better. And I agree with you Russ that writing ones own vows is never a good idea.
Precisely, David: marriage is a contract that protects you both, that other people respect because the law makes them leave your stuff the fuck alone. As I've blogged about several times before.
Which also elevates your spouse into something more than just your latest mancrush or fuckbuddy: when you both man up enough to sign on the dotted line and take on a serious responsibility, just as you would for a car or a house.
Not everybody can, not everybody should; but a lot of us would. If the feeling was mutual, I mean.
I see marriage as a legal contract with your partner. And in case one of you gets sick or dies the other partner is protected under the law.
As far as the marriage ceremony I can't stand them...gay or straight.
A waste of money! BLAH! Horsefeathers!
Duly noted, Stan. When your turn comes, we'll just mail you a coupon and a stamped return envelope. Grin.
But as far as marriage being a legal contract - that is exactly and precisely what civil marriage is, a contract. As any lawbook will tell you. Which I've blogged about several times before, and which religious foamers just don't seem to get.
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