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Wednesday, November 16, 2022

Mormon Church Comes Out for Gay Marriage

 

Huh, that's a shocker.  (Remember the Prop 8 fight?)  Read all about it in the Salt Lake Tribune.

And for your information, the Respect for Marriage Act was first introduced in Congress in 2009. and has been reintroduced several times.  But this year, the bill was finally passed in the House last July by a vote of 267-157, with the support of 47 Republicans.  

Now it's up to the Senate, if 10 Republicans will vote for the bill, and Democratic leaders think the votes are in the bag. So we should have more reason to celebrate soon; in fact, the Senate is holding a preliminary vote today.  So stay tuned and keep your fingers crossed.

Update, 7 p.m.:  The preliminary vote passed 62-37, with 12 Republican senators voting in favor of it.  A final vote on the bill is expected on Friday, after which the Senate version will be sent to the House for approval.
 

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Tuesday, October 5, 2010

Why Gay Kids Off Themselves

Clueless, frustrated old straight dude claims to speak for God . . . so what else is fucking new?  What follows could have come from any of the major Christian churches in this country.

And this divinely timed pronouncement came Sunday, after those five suicides.
Same-sex attraction can be overcome and any type of union other than marriage between a man and a woman is morally wrong, an LDS apostle told millions of Mormons on Sunday. “There are those today who not only tolerate but advocate voting to change laws that would legalize immorality, as if a vote would somehow alter the designs of God’s laws and nature,” Boyd K. Packer, president of the church’s Quorum of Twelve Apostles, said in a strongly worded sermon about the dangers of pornography and same-sex marriage. “A law against nature would be impossible to enforce. Do you think a vote to repeal the law of gravity would do any good?” Some argue that “they were pre-set and cannot overcome what they feel are inborn tendencies toward the impure and unnatural,” he said. “Not so! Why would our Heavenly Father do that to anyone?"
Why indeed? Why infuckingdeed?  Unless, of course . . . that phony God is just a projection of a warped, arrogant, hate-filled straight man's mind.  Ya think?

Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign, responds:
Words have consequences, particularly when they come from a faith leader. This is exactly the kind of statement that can lead some kids to bully and others to commit suicide. When a faith leader tells gay people that they are a mistake because God would never have made them that way and they don’t deserve love, it sends a very powerful message that violence and/or discrimination against LGBT people is acceptable. It also emotionally devastates those who are LGBT or may be struggling with their sexual orientation or gender identify. His words were not only inaccurate, they were also dangerous.
Oh but wait, newsflash! Those kids didn't kill themselves because of bullying - no, they just couldn't live with "the shame of submission to their own evil desires."

Oh . . . right. See Rob Tisnai's brilliant post for the full explanation of the flowchart:


Dan Savage rips the religious right and points out the blood on their oh-so-holy hands:

Saturday, November 15, 2008

We Confess: The Mormons Did It

A big ol' honk out to Rex Wockner, dean of gay journalists, for this update on his blog:

The journalist in me has been uncomfortable for days with the routine assertions that Mormons bankrolled the ubiquitous TV ads that convinced California voters to amend their constitution to re-ban same sex marriage. "How exactly do you prove that?" the trained news reporter in me kept asking.

Well, wonder no more. The folks who gave us Prop 8 admit it. From yesterday's New York Times: "In the end, Protect Marriage estimates, as much as half of the nearly $40 million raised on behalf of the measure was contributed by Mormons."
As Wockner notes, only 2 percent of California's population is Mormon. And your Head Trucker believes the gay population has got to be at least two or three times bigger than that.

Other very interesting points from the NYT article , "Mormons Tipped Scale in Ban on Gay Marriage":

As proponents of same-sex marriage across the country planned protests on Saturday against the ban, interviews with the main forces behind the ballot measure showed how close its backers believe it came to defeat — and the extraordinary role Mormons played in helping to pass it with money, institutional support and dedicated volunteers.

“We’ve spoken out on other issues, we’ve spoken out on abortion, we’ve spoken out on those other kinds of things,” said Michael R. Otterson, the managing director of public affairs for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as the Mormons are formally called, in Salt Lake City. “But we don’t get involved to the degree we did on this.” . . .

[Last June,] the Mormon leadership in Salt Lake City issued a four-paragraph decree to be read to congregations, saying “the formation of families is central to the Creator’s plan,” and urging members to become involved with the cause.

“And they sure did,” Mr. Schubert said.

Jeff Flint, another strategist with Protect Marriage, estimated that Mormons made up 80 percent to 90 percent of the early volunteers who walked door-to-door in election precincts.The canvass work could be exacting and highly detailed. Many Mormon wards in California, not unlike Roman Catholic parishes, were assigned two ZIP codes to cover. Volunteers in one ward, according to training documents written by a Protect Marriage volunteer, obtained by people opposed to Proposition 8 and shown to The New York Times, had tasks ranging from “walkers,” assigned to knock on doors; to “sellers,” who would work with undecided voters later on; and to “closers,” who would get people to the polls on Election Day.

Suggested talking points were equally precise. If initial contact indicated a prospective voter believed God created marriage, the church volunteers were instructed to emphasize that Proposition 8 would restore the definition of marriage God intended.

But if a voter indicated human beings created marriage, Script B would roll instead, emphasizing that Proposition 8 was about marriage, not about attacking gay people, and about restoring into law an earlier ban struck down by the State Supreme Court in May.

“It is not our goal in this campaign to attack the homosexual lifestyle or to convince gays and lesbians that their behavior is wrong — the less we refer to homosexuality, the better,” one of the ward training documents said. “We are pro-marriage, not anti-gay.” . . .


But now that the horse hockey has hit the fan, the article concludes,

[T]he extent of the protests has taken many Mormons by surprise. On Friday, the church’s leadership took the unusual step of issuing a statement calling for “respect” and “civility” in the aftermath of the vote.

“Attacks on churches and intimidation of people of faith have no place in civil discourse over controversial issues,” the statement said. “People of faith have a democratic right to express their views in the public square without fear of reprisal.”

Mr. Ashton [millionaire grandson of a former LDS church president] described the protests by same-sex marriage advocates as off-putting. “I think that shows colors,” Mr. Ashton said. “By their fruit, ye shall know them.”

Yeah, and now we've seen your fruit, buddy . . . and it's left a helluva bad taste in our mouths.

What I say: Leave individuals alone; it's a free fucking country, you can believe what you want. I don't care who contributed to what. Like another big ol' queen, Elizabeth I, said during the religious upheavals of her reign, "I do not wish to open a window into men's souls." And none of us truly knows what is in someone else's heart.

But nobody should be harassed, intimidated, or lose their job for their private beliefs. Nobody. Guys, take just a second and turn it around in your mind: I'm living in homophobic small town Texas. I can be fired at any moment simply for being gay, you know? There is no law whatsoever against that in Texas. It sucks, big time.

But that's not right, and you wouldn't want that for yourself or anyone you love; and every one of us has loved ones who aren't quite on the right side of this issue, you know that. So leave individuals alone. The Golden Rule still applies, and it cuts both ways, folks. Two wrongs don't make a right, Mama always said.

Instead, it's the homophobic, intolerant, persecuting organizations - including churches - that deserve the full brunt of our peaceful protests and righteous anger.

So you church leaders want to play in the public political arena, boys? (And the vast majority of homophobic religious leaders are indeed males.) Okay, then you have to deal with the blowback, you can't hide behind the sanctimonious we-are-a-church screen anymore. Oh no. Not when you are stripping Americans of their civil rights. It just don't work that way.

(Screen shot at top from the Salt Lake Tribune video on protests at LDS Church headquarters in Salt Lake City.)

Wednesday, November 12, 2008

BUSTED: The Mormon-Catholic Agenda

Exposed: the Mormon leadership's 1997 plan to ally itself with the Catholic Church to deny civil rights to gay Americans by bringing about a referendum vote on equal marriage in California. And that's just what happened.

San Francisco Chronicle: "Catholics, Mormons allied to pass Prop. 8":

Salt Lake City ABC News report on 1997 memo (won't embed here for some reason): http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=88757@video.ktvx.com&navCatId=8

Copy of memo (Honk to Daily Kos for being first to bring this to light on November 3rd; "H.L.M." presumably means homosexual legal marriage):




So now you know, boys and girls.

What are you going to do about it?

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